Jason van Zyl

The Future of Maven Part 2

Jessica Thornsby

In part two of our interview, JAXenter asks Jason van Zyl about m2eclipse, the P2 project, Polyglot Maven, and whether we might see a merger between IAM and m2eclipse, in the future…….

JAXenter: Sonatype have just released version 0.10.0 of their m2eclipse Maven Plug-in for Eclipse. What new features does 0.10.0 have to offer? And will version 1.0 bring major changes?

Jason van Zyl: m2eclipse 0.10.0 is almost a complete rewrite from 0.9.8, so there are many changes and improvements. The most important aspect is that we have the m2eclipse code base synchronized with the Maven 3.x code base. When we need fixes in m2eclipse that are the result of problems in Maven, it’s only a matter of hours before we can roll a fix through the system and produce a new m2eclipse build. There have been several hundred fixes across Maven and m2eclipse in the last year. We’ve probably put in close to eight thousand man hours across Maven and m2eclipse as we approach the Maven 3.0 and m2eclipse 1.0 releases.

The performance will be the first thing users notice. Even with a standard Maven project general operation is faster, but if you leverage the new incremental Maven Plugin API and the customizable lifecycle mapping, you truly have incremental behavior with Maven inside of Eclipse.

The new incremental Maven Plugin APIs allow Eclipse to communicate very precise information back to Maven. For example, if you change a single resource that needs to be filtered, Eclipse will no longer trigger Maven’s entire lifecycle, but rather communicate the information about the single file that has changed, and execute Maven’s resource plugin to operate on the single file that changed. The customizable lifecycle mapping allows m2eclipse to eliminate most of Maven’s execution from within Eclipse. You can selectively choose what plugins you want to execute as part of the build within Eclipse. The end result is that if you tune your project, you can get extremely fast results. We want to make this tuning easier as we move toward the 1.0 release, but it’s still relatively easy to do this today.

We also have improved integration with Nexus so you can search the content of your repositories from within Eclipse, and we have simplified the configuration of repository indexes by automatically configuring them based on repositories you have configured in your settings.xml file.

JAXenter: There’s already an official Eclipse project for integrating Maven: IAM (formerly ‘Q4E’). What’s the difference between m2eclipse and IAM? And is a merger of the two projects conceivable?

Jason van Zyl: IAM is not the official project for integrating Maven. Both m2eclipse and IAM are in incubation, so neither has official status at Eclipse. It’s unlikely there will be a merger. The IAM code base is a year behind m2eclipse at this point, and there are no active Maven 3.x committers on the IAM team. Sonatype has full-time developers and QA staff on Maven 3.x and m2eclipse. We’ve done a lot of work over the last year to make sure Maven and Eclipse work well together. m2eclipse is the de facto standard. You can see this in the community as questions on the user mailing lists are always about m2eclipse, and vendor support is already in place for m2eclipse – Genuitec, JBoss, and SpringSource all integrate m2eclipse, not IAM. Eclipse may ultimately let both projects graduate from incubation, but only one project will be official and shipped with distributions, and it very likely that will be m2eclipse. It simply boils down to manpower. We always hope for community support, but at any given time Sonatype has up to eight full-time people working on m2eclipse so users can be assured bugs will be fixed and new features will be developed.

JAXenter: Can you tell us a bit about the P2 project at Eclipse and how Sonatype has become involved with the P2 project.

Jason van Zyl: The P2 project at Eclipse is the basis of the update manager in Eclipse, but it is also a general purpose provisioning framework. Sonatype is interested in provisioning user desktops, provisioning development infrastructures, and provisioning production run-times. P2 has become a critical technology for Sonatype, so we recently hired Pascal Rapicault, who is the lead of the P2 project at Eclipse. Pascal will remain heavily involved in the community, in much the same way that Sonatype is heavily involved in the Maven community. We are also planning to invest in some research and collaborate with Daniel Le Berre through the National Centre for Scientific Research in France. Daniel is the creator of SAT4J, which is the core solver used in P2 for determining the selection of dependencies. I am interested in trying to merge the artifact resolution strategies of Maven and P2.

JAXenter: Maven Tycho is your new OSGi-Toolchain designed to be a drop-in replacement for the Eclipse PDE Build. What are the goals of the Tycho project? And what features are already available?

Jason van Zyl: The focus of Tycho is to create an effective hybrid of Maven and Eclipse-based OSGi technologies for building, publishing, and distributing Eclipse plugins, update sites, RCP applications and OSGi bundles. Tycho is a manifest-first approach to building and leverages Eclipse’s Equinox, JDT and P2 projects. The alternate approach is a POM-first approach which is the strategy employed by the Maven Bundle Plugin, which uses Peter Krien’s BND tool to generate a manifest from the classes post build.

Both of these approaches will be with us for quite a while so another goal of Tycho is to allow these different approaches to interoperate. Both approaches produce bundles, but in order to use Tycho, the bundles must be available in a P2 repository and have the accompanying P2 metadata. So, with a POM-first approach we dynamically generate the required P2 metadata for bundles that do not have it. This effectively allows us to take all bundles available in Maven Central and allow them to be used within Tycho. I believe that an unmanageable rift will form if tools are not capable of interoperability between these two common forms of development. Many people use Maven only to produce bundles, and many people use standard Eclipse-based technologies to produce bundles, and if these worlds are not united there will be a massive duplication of effort. Tycho is a bridge between these two worlds.

We have also integrated Tycho with m2eclipse so that you can import a Tycho project into Eclipse as a PDE project. We have added support to allow the resolution of POM-first bundles in the Eclipse workspace. Currently there are two major projects at Eclipse that are using Tycho to build: the Tigerstripe project driven by Cisco, and the EGit project. The EGit project is interesting because it uses the hybrid approach of using a POM-first build for JGit, we then generate a P2 repository from the Tycho build which is then consumed by the EGit build which uses a manifest-first Tycho build.

JAXenter: Can you tell us a bit about Polyglot Maven?

Jason van Zyl: Polyglot Maven is the project for experimenting with domain specific languages (DSLs) and terse markup languages (TSLs) in conjunction with Maven 3.x’s core. What is currently available today can be found at What we have are starting points of internal DSLs for Groovy, Ruby, Scala, and Clojure. There is also an external DSL that I have developed using XText, which is a fantastic tool at for creating parsers and editors for external DSLs. We are also providing support for YAML-based POMs using the excellent SnakeYAML library.

The DSLs are meant to be more then merely different representations of the POM. The DSLs will have full access to Maven’s internals, which have been redesigned for integration and extension. What this means in practical terms is that implementors of DSLs can leverage Maven’s infrastructure but create custom ways to interact with, or extend, Maven. A DSL could change Maven’s lifecycle, decorate lifecycle phases, create new configuration mechanisms, or allow a more procedural mechanism for their users. I honestly don’t know how useful these features are for general users, and more specifically enterprise users, but I only see benefits in allowing greater leverage of Maven’s infrastructure.

What I really care about and what really concerns me is interoperability at the repository level and tooling. This is why the code lives in the Polyglot Maven project. I don’t want to misrepresent to users that this is ready for prime time. It fully works, but there needs to be more thought about how projects being constructed with possibly many DSLs can still play nicely together. What will the resultant metadata look like that is exported to Maven repositories? Currently we feel that this is likely to be a Maven 2.x POM created during the deployment process. What will the tooling look like for Maven DSLs? We are hoping that the DSLs can preserve many of Maven’s internal models so that they can leverage m2eclipse. To simply provide the infrastructure for these DSLs is not enough; repository interoperability and tooling is important.

In the last 18 months I have surveyed nearly 2000 people from the various talks and presentation I’ve given, and approximately 5% of the people surveyed are interested in DSLs for Maven or different representations of the POM. But these 5% are very important. These are the very creative hackers that want to do things in a project from one end to the other in a fully programmatic way. They want to code everything including the build. This is why I created Polyglot Maven because I believe this 5% can potentially contribute as much to Maven as the remaining 95% of the Maven user base. The folks who want the polyglot support are highly effective people. In the end it’s all good for Maven.

JAXenter: Can you tell us a bit about the Maven Shell?

Jason van Zyl: The Maven Shell is Maven embedded in a long-lived shell process. The shell avoids the start-up costs of invoking Maven repeatedly, caches the parsed POMs, provides Maven Archetype integration, provides Nexus integration, has a built in help system, and on the OS X provides Growl support. In typical cases you’ll see your build times cut in half. We have many features planned for the 1.0, such as the integration of the make-like reactor mode so that within the shell only the modules that have changed will be built, project workflow support to help guide users to the right thing, Hudson support for creating jobs and querying statuses, and ultimately the integration of Tycho and Polyglot Maven features.

JAXenter: There are many different build systems to choose from. In your opinion, which is Maven’s biggest competitor? Maybe Gradle…..?

Jason van Zyl: Maven’s biggest competitor in the enterprise are homegrown Maven-like solutions created with Ant. These are the systems that Maven typically replaces in enterprise settings. We honestly don’t see anyone trying things like Gradle or Buildr for large enterprise projects. I think there is a lot of hype around some of these technologies. We understand that people are constantly looking for new solutions, but we’re also convinced that the enterprise build space is full of complicating factors that don’t lend themselves to over-simplification.

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